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The programme is available as a podcast:
http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/radio4/sunday/sunday_20090104-0937a.mp3
(44 min, 20 MB)
or via the BBC iPlayer:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b00g920d
(the relevant section is about 24 minutes in)
If the podcast/iPlayer version expires, download the mp3 from RapidShare here:
http://rapidshare.com/files/341841039/sunday_20090104-0937a.mp3
A one-minute clip can be downloaded here:
http://rapidshare.com/files/341841998/Sunday_AtheistFreakOfNature_BBCR4i-20090104.mp3