This evening I watched something my faithful telly-watching machine recorded for me last week — Rosh Hashanah: Science vs Religion, a half-hour programme presented by the Chief Rabbi, Jonathan Sacks.
Lord Sacks is often on Thought for the Day,
speaking with his characteristic measured pace, endowing each word with
great meaning and authority. His precise enunciation, however, fails to
conceal an embarrassing fact: that the meaning and authority are wholly
spurious. It's almost as if he strings words together solely based on
their euphony, without consideration of what the words might actually
mean.
"For me, science is one of the greatest achievements of humankind — a gift given to us by God."
Well, which is it, Lord Sacks? An achievement of humankind? Or a gift from God? (Is it any wonder he thinks science and religion are compatible when he obviously can't see the blatant incompatibility of what he's saying right at the start of his own TV programme?)
You have a couple of days to catch the whole thing on iPlayer:
Religion and science are frequently set up as polar opposites; incompatible ways of thinking. The Chief Rabbi Lord Sacks begs to differ. For him, science and religion can, and should, work together. To mark Rosh Hashanah, the Jewish New Year, he puts his position to the test. He meets three non-believing scientists, each at the top of their field: neurologist Baroness Susan Greenfield, theoretical physicist Professor Jim Al-Khalili, and the person best known for leading the scientific attack on religion, Professor Richard Dawkins. Will the Chief Rabbi succeed in convincing the militant defender of atheism that science and religion need not be at war?
It's clear that all three of the atheist scientists to whom Lord Sacks puts his plea are willing to concede that there are limits to science — and that's where the Chief Rabbi jumps in to claim the ground for himself, while simultaneously decrying "God of the gaps". But he doesn't seem to realise that just because science doesn't have answers to certain questions, he cannot claim that religion does. Because it doesn't. All that religion can do is interpret scripture — which more often than not means making stuff up.
Not a surprise, but some of us will keep plugging away. I object to the implication that theists are the only commentators qualified to think. The BBCshould include non-religious viewpoints on Thought for the Day, or else rename it Religious Thought for the Day or something similar — something clearly indicating that these are thoughts from a religious perspective.
I was alerted to this latest non-development — and latest demonstration of BBC obstinacy — by Justin Brierley's post on the Unbelievable? Facebook page, to which I added a comment (whole thread to date follows):
Alan VaughanGood
for them! Those with no religion have no place on a religious
programme. If it were a stamp collecting programme I would expect only
those who collect stamps to participate. Listeners would have no desire
to listen to someone with no interest in stamps. Kudos
Paul Jenkins“People
have complained, as they have the right to, and I have taken a view
that at this moment in time as far as I’m concerned we stay as we do.
“It is a specific slot within the Today programme which is a reflection from a religious perspective on stories of importance in the news.”
Well,
the slot *is* called "Religious Thought for the Day", so therefore
no-one but the religious is qualified to be on it. If, however, the slot
was called merely "Thought for the Day" then one could naturally expect
non-religious viewpoints to be given a proportionate hearing.
Peter ByromWe've
been given plenty of rhetoric recently about how atheism is not a
religion or even a worldview (e.g. "if atheism is a religion, then off
is a TV channel, and abstinence is a sex position" etc) so if this really is an officially religious slot then, frankly, the atheists can't have it both ways.
However,
I must say I'm disappointed that the BBC doesn't have a programme like
Justin's! Indeed there's plenty of anti-religion and pro-secularism bias
in the BBC already so, again frankly, I hardly think the NSS have much
to complain about and it looks much more like they're trying to encroach
upon one of the few religious slots left.
John Humberstone"We've
been given plenty of rhetoric recently about how atheism is not a
religion or even a worldview (e.g. "if atheism is a religion, then off
is a TV channel, and abstinence is a sex position" etc) so if this really is an officially religious slot then, frankly, the atheists can't have it both ways."
All that needs to happen is that they stick to the title of the slot - Thought for the Day. Couldn't be simpler really.
Socratic dialogue and dramatised reportage seems an odd combination for radio comedy, but that's what BBC Radio 4 is giving us with the current series of Brian Gulliver's Travels. This week, in "Anidara", the hapless travel writer is forced to confront the vegetarian question, aka "Is it wrong to eat meat?"
Neil Pearson, playing the eponymous traveller, is just right for this role — his worldly familiarity coupled with a hint of erudition hits exactly the right note. The series (this is the second) comprises six half-hour episodes, with two more to come. Streaming audio of this week's episode is available until 12:02PM Wed, 12 Sep 2012:
This is somewhat tangential
to your post, but it just reminded me about how much I dislike
identifiers that frame the opposite side in a way that they would never
self-identify as. For example, pro-life. The opposite of pro-life would
be anti-life or pro-death. No one would identify as such. Same for
pro-choice. I don't think any pro-life people would identify as
anti-choice. The identifier has a pretty obvious polemical element to
it. It not only identifies a group, but indicts the opposition.
I think "skeptic" is that sort of identifier. Same with "reason rally"
or "brights." People do not self-identify as gullible, irrational, or
dim. Considering "skeptic" has next to nothing to do with philosophical
skepticism in a classical sense, the word exists only in its popular
connotation, it frames the opposite group as those who lack critical
thinking skills, or who are disinclined to use them. It is not as though
one cannot be both religious and "skeptical" in the contemporary sense.
Any sufficiently critical attitude would be skeptical in a contemporary
sense, and there are entire movements, interpretive frameworks, and
denominations based on being critical of this or that other thing.
If it's a science conference, let it be a science conference. If it's a
group of "skeptics," i.e. atheists and other non-religious folk, let it
be that. Having said all that, I hope some of the videos from the conference will be on youtube afterwords.
I agree with Aaron's point about the way attitudes are framed, but I don't think there's much that can be done about it. People are always going to spin their own point of view to make it look more reasonable or favourable than the opposition. It's up to skeptics to recognise this and identify it.
As for skepticism itself, I don't agree with Aaron's implied definition — ...a
group of "skeptics," i.e. atheists and other non-religious folk... — which seems to be confined to atheism and opposition to religion. It's true that many skeptics are atheists, but atheism and skepticism are not the same thing. You could say that atheism is skepticism about gods — and that's pretty much the stand I take. My atheism is part of, or a subset of, my skepticism.
Skepticism is simply an unwillingness to accept unsubstantiated claims as true. The reason religion features strongly in skeptical discourse is that it has a long history of making unsubstantiated claims, and a reluctance (or inability) to provide substantiation when requested to do so. In addition, religion's standards of evidence seem in many cases to be inadequate. And there appear to be a great many more people who accept religious claims than who accept the existence of Bigfoot, or space aliens on Earth, or the usefulness of alternative medicine — to name but three of the many issues with which skeptics may be concerned.
Some high-profile skeptics will not discuss religion at all, and some of those even say that religion should be kept out of "skepticism" altogether. Personally I don't see how that's possible. If you're skeptical of ghosts, for example, that probably means you're skeptical of the afterlife — which is mostly a religious idea — and if you argue that there's no compelling evidence for an afterlife (near-death experiences notwithstanding) you will be seen as attacking religious belief.
The issue comes back to Stephen Jay Gould's flawed notion of non-overlapping magisteria. The problem is that they not only overlap — in many cases the magisteria are inextricably entwined.
The Prime Minister has been asked, repeatedly, to intervene in these cases and back the four Christians who have served the public through their varied professions.
Two of those Christians refused to serve a section of "the public".
Paul S. Jenkins, writer, podcaster and tech-enthusiast (and atheist and skeptic) lives and works in Hampshire, UK. Notes from an Evil Burnee is his blog about things skeptical.