- Dean Rbertson Most of the funerals that I've been to other the last few years have been humanists or Christianity lite (no mention of afterlife, just nice vicar). Most were in the same crematorium and had a huge gold cross at the front and didn't suit the service. Crosses, crescents, star of Davids or pentangles should be removable.
- Paul Orton I note the article says that the cross is there for faith services and can be removed for non-faith services. I can see Muslims, Hindus etc finding this less than inclusive.
But it means that Christianity isn't being imposed on everybody, which is a very good thing.
- Martin Davies At last - the truth - "an even playing field that religion cant win on". If it's an even playing field Kevin then surely that means that we all can 'wi'n or take it in turns to 'win'? The only people that win under a situation where all symbols are banned are the NSS and its type of secularism.
- Kevin Bruce yes what Paul said save for this bit
//Without those privileges they might struggle.//
there is no "might" only "will/do"
the most secular countries are those where non-belief has grown the greatest
// If it's an even playing field Kevin then surely that means that we all can 'wi'n or take it in turns to 'win'?//
in any sport if the rules apply to all and the referees are officiating fairly we could say the teams are playing on a level playing field. both teams in theory have equal chance at winning but this does not mean that all sides will win. the best team will on average win more often on a fair playing field .
and when it comes to the arena of idea a unbiased playing field presents a venue where religions losses on average.
- Kevin Bruce //Naming everything according to a list of fallacies doesn't mean the relationship isn't there or that the statement isn't true.//
no it only means you need to show the causation and not simply assert one...
there have been several non-christian empires
// Christianity was an enormous part of what made them a great people and a great Empire.// is not well supported. there were great people and great empires that were non-christian as such the is no need to conclude that Christianity made any empire or people good.
- Kevin Bruce tom feel free to actually give evidence that Christianity is the cause and not a spurious correlation. or i guess you could call me stupid .... i mean clearly that would be better than giving evidence for your claim....and very christian of you...
Tom said some stuff
for wasting his life
- Kevin Bruce //"How is Churchill a qualified expert" on British history. Sweet Baby Dawkins you are a thick-headed twit.//
yes its great and all that he was an important leader in British history but lacks formal education when it comes to being a historian.to be actually an expert, but lets look at the ideas not the man as the ideas are what matter do any historians agree that Christianity caused the greatness of the British empire? is there a consensus?
- Dean Rbertson "Tom Tozer
The British are insane because Christianity was an enormous part of what made them a great people and a great Empire. They will wither and die with the rest of secular Europe. Congratulations!"...... How did Christianity help us gain an Empire? Wasn't it our great navy, a knowledge of our superiority over the savages and our guns that did it?
- Kevin Bruce // How, Kevin Bruce, would you know whether someone was "qualified" to speak about history? //
Churchill lacks formal education in areas that would make him an expert in the history of Great Briton. this is a simple fact if you wish to assert he is an expert then you should give rason why the fact he was PM has little bearing on this matter
Obama said he had been to 57 states and he is president of the USA yet he is incorrect in the statement
see honestly what i would really like to do is look at evidence for the claim in question WC said so is not evidence.
- Kevin Bruce //Seriously, you've memorized some lingo and think that means you're wise. It doesn't.//
says a man who is asserting what he could not possibly know
you have read some Churchill that seemingly agrees with your personal views and seem to be asserting the fact that WC holds a view that you find favorable to your own POV as evidence for the validity of your views
but you have yet to provide actual evidence as to the importance of Christianity in the formation of the British empire.
- Charles Parker Churchill was an obsessive historian and wrote quite extensively with particular focus on his own family. He was, of course, an ancestor of the great general John Churchill Duke of Marlborough. So I think we can say that Churchill was well informed about British history.
Tom appears to be labouring under the overly romantic illusion, long forgotten through it's absurdity, that our empire was a blessing for all of it's inhabitants and that if only they would accept our Christianity (at gunpoint) they would eventually thank us. It didn't really work out that way.
- Paul Jenkins Despite risk of further derailment of this thread (which is a lost cause, alas), I'll just point out that many of the American rules of grammar and spelling are closer reflections of the development of English than modern British English. (I make that point, incidentally, as a Brit.)
There may be more by the time you read this, but I doubt it will be edifying.