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Tuesday, 12 March 2013

Unbelievable? Facebook facepalm (part 1)

Here's a recent thread from the Unbelievable? Facebook group. I post it here as an example of how rational discussion can get derailed when someone claims to have knowledge but can't substantiate it.

  • Maurice D'Abruzzo
    well, i've had a short & much needed break from here....but i'm still troubled by the last question i asked here....because it seems to be a question with no answer. so i decided to ask the question again....but this time, as a musician like myself would ask it. in the form of song & lyrics written many years ago by emerson, lake & palmer: "CAN YOU BELIEVE....GOD MAKES YOU BREATHE? WHY DID HE LOSE....6 MILLION JEWS?"

    http://youtu.be/bxW2YuqytDM

    The Only Way (Hymn) - Emerson, Lake & Palmer
    www.youtube.com
    The Only Way (Hymn) - Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Tarkus - Progressive Rock - 1971
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    • Paul Jenkins You're unlikely to get a satisfactory answer even now. Christian theologians have multiple theodicies in "answer" to the Problem of Evil. They are (mostly) satisfied with their answers. You won't be.

      The simplest answer to the question of why did God lose six million Jews is that there is no God. But Christians are understandably unlikely to find that answer satisfactory.

      It's an impasse.
      Yesterday at 11:52 via mobile · Like · 4
    • Maurice D'Abruzzo then i wonder...why people would choose to spread their faith before this matter is sorted? i don't say this as an atheist...i tried to believe many years ago....but it just makes no sense!
      Yesterday at 11:57 · Like · 2
    • David Eriol Hickman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx7irFN2gdI

      The Jews asked the very same question. True Story. They found him guilty, and then went to prayer...
      Yesterday at 11:58 · Like · 2
    • Sam Priest The simplest answer to the question of why did God lose six million Jews is that there is no God. But Christians are understandably unlikely to find that answer satisfactory.

      It's an impasse.
      ------------

      I believe the problem is how you could be christian without surpassing said impasse.
      Yesterday at 11:58 · Like
    • Paul Jenkins Mysterious ways, divine hiddenness, free will, evil necessary as contrast for good -- just some of the theodicies I can remember (they're all flawed, but seem to satisfy Christians).

      Or maybe the don't and Christians who accept them are in the grip of cognitive dissonance?
      Yesterday at 12:09 via mobile · Like · 3
    • Maurice D'Abruzzo that's it Paul! that what i felt when i was a child....as a catholic, a jehovah witness, and as an evangelist.... i'm sure that's what most fair minded believers sooner or later eventually feel - COGNITIVE DISSONANCE! BRILLIANT!
      Yesterday at 12:14 · Like · 1
    • Dane Cramer It's a very fair question, and you will likely receive various responses. I cannot speak for all Christians - only myself.

      Generally speaking, Christians do not see death as the end-all. Therefore, dying a physical death would not be considered as the ultimate loss - and certainly not a loss to God.
      Yesterday at 12:28 · Like
    • Delia Ives If I choose to believe in an invisible parrot that perches on my shoulder, accompanies me everywhere whispering words of advice & comfort in my ear, I would be rightly regarded as delusional. If I claim this parrot exists outside time & space, created the Universe and is called "God" I'm apparently considered by the religiosa as completely sane.
      Yesterday at 12:31 · Edited · Like · 1
    • Paul Jenkins Dane, you're on dangerous ground there. To put it crudely: if heaven's so great, why don't Christians endeavour to get there asap?
      Yesterday at 12:37 via mobile · Like · 1
    • Ken Parker This also reminds me of WLC and his excusing of genocide and the slaughter of infant children in the Bible.
      Yesterday at 12:43 via mobile · Unlike · 2
    • Maurice D'Abruzzo the non sequitur for me....is this. as human beings, we all want to survive, & be free of pain & suffering, more than anything in the world. it's WRITTEN in our DNA. but what is written in the scriptures is quite different...eg abraham is required to murder his son.....job to bear terrible suffering....jesus to be tortured & murdered in lieu of the rest of us awful sinners......does this not sound like a system of control to you?
      Yesterday at 12:54 · Edited · Like · 1
    • Paul Jenkins Agreed, Ken. Divine Command Theory as espoused by WLC is despicable, abhorrent and repugnant.
      Yesterday at 12:48 via mobile · Like · 1
    • Paul Jenkins What's written in the scriptures, Maurice, is less about how things are or ought to be, than it is about _power_, and keeping the religious masses under control. Do what the elite priesthood says, and woe betide anyone foolish enough to ask questions.
      Yesterday at 12:52 via mobile · Like · 3
    • Maurice D'Abruzzo Paul, you read my mind as i was editing my previous comment...bravo - agreed
      Yesterday at 12:56 · Like · 1
    • Helen Marple-Horvat Interesting topic....but my feeling is that what is being talked about here is human on human atrocity ( You might have a case with natural disasters though....which to me is harder to argue for a theist )

      Also Paul, my reading of the NT is that Jesus speaks the truth to power by dying and by loving.Could you supply some evidence for your view that in the NT are to be found some rules about obeying what elite priesthoods say.

      We could argue about how ancient Israel organised their community without prisons etc and how that compared to mores of similar aged cultures around the world, and whether or not we do better at some things and worse at others. Its a debate etc

      But I dont see anything about obeying priesthoods in the NT or masses being controlled.Produce your evidence!
      Yesterday at 13:11 · Edited · Like
    • Maurice D'Abruzzo Helen.
      Yesterday at 13:14 · Like · 1
    • Helen Marple-Horvat Yes Maurice? x
      Yesterday at 13:15 · Like
    • Paul Jenkins It's the elite priesthood that wields the power, justifying it with reference to scripture. There isn't much _about_ priests in the actual scripture as far as I'm aware.

      For an example of evidence, just listen to the Catholic Church.
      Yesterday at 13:17 via mobile · Like · 1
    • Maurice D'Abruzzo haha....sorry Helen, must have hit "enter"... a little prematurely i'm afraid....maybe it's a freudian thing lol.....look - no, no, NO...the story of abraham/isaac, job & jesus are all meant to examples of DIRECT intervention by god - nothing to do with human/human shenanigans at all......
      Yesterday at 13:20 · Like · 1
    • Helen Marple-Horvat Oh...if you are saying we dont find that in the NT thats fine.
      Yesterday at 13:22 · Like
    • Maurice D'Abruzzo last time i looked, jesus was a big player in the NT. got a lot of good reviews in fact
      Yesterday at 13:25 · Like · 1
    • Maurice D'Abruzzo Helen.......why is it god's will....that a wonderful man like jesus....be tortured & murdered in the place of people like charles manson? who is merely serving a life sentence?
      Yesterday at 13:28 · Like · 1
    • Helen Marple-Horvat Job is philosophy ...a discussion about the problem of evil...like Ecclesiastes. Both of these books pose questions. Abraham and Isaac has as many interpretations by jews as there are people who write about it. It is a bottomless well of meaning from every possible angle about human folly, love, wisdom, pride, sacrifice....

      Jesus is read by followers as Immanuel= God with us, ideas made flesh, the body of God on earth...a person who encapsulated a pure reading of torah teaching, a man obedient to the call of love on his life and willing to go through death rather than be violent.Its not like these ideas are not already in Judaeism....but Jesus embodies them and people just love him.
      Yesterday at 13:29 · Edited · Like
    • Paul Jenkins "...a bottomless well of meaning..." So it can mean whatever you like. This is not a reliable path to truth.
      Yesterday at 13:34 via mobile · Like · 3
    • Helen Marple-Horvat Well....that is a deep question and one of the men beside him on the cross asks him.

      If you are the son of God....save yourself and us! Jesus himself is tempted by the same thoughts in the "desert" isnt he?

      Its about an emptying of power really isnt it?x
      Yesterday at 13:35 · Like
    • Helen Marple-Horvat "...a bottomless well of meaning..." So it can mean whatever you like. This is not a reliable path to truth.//

      In the sense that we can gain insights for ever about it yes Paul.I dont think we get a nailed down theology from the texts myself....but it is a starting point for talking.The story of Jacob wrestling all night with questions for God is about this....

      God is with us in the process of talking about such questions.

      If you want to look into interpretations of the Abraham story by jews you will be there for a lifetime!
      Yesterday at 13:39 · Like
    • Paul Jenkins I may think that the names of the characters in a story reveal deeper meanings about the author's motives and aspirations. If I subsequently discover he used anagrams of the dishes available at his local curry house I might question the actual depth of the bottomless well of meaning. Or I might cling obdurately to my preferred interpretation. But truth? Forget it.
      Yesterday at 13:41 via mobile · Like · 2
    • Maurice D'Abruzzo it sounds to me like the philosophy of abrahamic monotheism...is one of complexity. it is one of non sequitur, paradox....stuff which doesn't add up....certainly not to the faithful jews of treblinka. contrast that with buddhism.....which doesn't require belief in a personal god....yet encourages us to be compassionate, because we are all part of one process in the end. to brush away all views....& simply exist in an amoral universe without cause or reason. i'm not trying to sell buddhism, but i can understand why it took hold in the west. there is a need i think, which is not being answered by either OT or NT....
      Yesterday at 13:51 · Like
    • Helen Marple-Horvat I dont know if you will find this interesting or not Paul....but until recently I always assumed that Isaac was a child. According to the rabbis he is a grown man which throws the story in a very different direction. Did he humour his old father, did he willingly go along with it? I dont know....we talk about it for ever.I guess people read the story with their own perspective dont they. Is it that God is cruel and demanding and then changes his mind ( hehe ) or is it a story about human need to do a big sacrifice thing but God being about grace?

      PS I know you are on the hook about theology actually Paul...because of your pod. lol.x

      I have enjoyed this lunch hour exploration. It has made me think about the foreshadowing of Jesus in the Abraham archetype story. Was their something of a willingness in Isaac to give his life for others....as there was a lot about appeasing gods in the ancient cultures wasnt there? We can still have that feeling that we need to please God to be loved....even today. Gottago....byeeeee
      Yesterday at 13:55 · Like
    • Maurice D'Abruzzo as you can see - no persuasion here. i have always believed that faith & skepticism/reason are both perfectly valid functions of our minds. but very different functions. i myself have been dominated by both at different times, so i don't have a favourite, but it may well be that we can't really "discuss" this subject......when we are not already of the "same" mind. whether gravity was a force or a warp in spacetime could be discussed - because all protagonists relied on "reason" & "evidence". whether there is a benevolent personal god or not....i'm not sure that we can discuss that in the same way.
      Yesterday at 14:15 · Like · 3
    • Paul Jenkins "We can still have that feeling that we need to please God to be loved....even today."

      Wait... what happened to God's unconditional love?
      Yesterday at 14:15 via mobile · Like · 3
    • Paul Jenkins Maurice, it's the ultimate get-out clause. God is impervious to reason because he lives outside time and space in the Land of Special Pleading.
      Yesterday at 14:17 via mobile · Like · 4
    • Maurice D'Abruzzo right on Paul ! and if someone believes that faith is beyond reason, how can we persuade them otherwise? faith will probably always be with us....look i think the bigger issue is that faith not be hijacked in the way that it always has been - eg the inquisition, 9/11, nazism, stalinism, whatever. the tragedy is that blind faith means well, but it is also a sitting duck for the lesser angels of our nature.....
      Yesterday at 14:28 · Like · 1
    • Helen Marple-Horvat "We can still have that feeling that we need to please God to be loved....even today."

      Wait... what happened to God's unconditional love?//

      Well that s my point really. We find unconditional love a difficult thing to accept dont we?

      • Yesterday at 14:49 · Like

        ...continued in part 2
Posted by Paul S. Jenkins at 21:18
Labels: demonic possession, demons, Facebook

Monday, 11 March 2013

Burnee links for Monday

A new humanist book by Grayling, and a critique by Appleyard « Why Evolution Is True
Based on Jerry Coyne's review of Brian Appleyard's review, I'm looking forward to reading A. C. Grayling's new book.

What is it like to be a cat? « Why Evolution Is True
Not rigorous science, but certainly a pointer towards further research.

Atheist Ethicist: How to Refute Desirism
Step by step instructions. But so far no-one has done it.

National Secular Society - The Catholic Church must change or die
Personally I think it's going down either way. Not fast, not soon, but definitely down.

National Secular Society - Sexual segregation at a UCL event a scandal, say students
Professor Krauss kicked up enough fuss to ensure this disgraceful lapse got publicity.

Guest post on the “debate” at UCL » Butterflies and Wheels
More on the UCL farce.

Might Christianity be both true and terrible? » Pharyngula
Well, no. But what if? PZ turns the tables on Damon Linker.
Posted by Paul S. Jenkins at 23:21
Labels: Burnee links

High ideals in Red Lion Square

Via James O'Malley (and Sid Rodrigues), a fascinating half-hour BBC documentary from 1975 about Conway Hall:

http://youtu.be/YZzKwCa0oGA


This is my era (I was studying in London about then), and though I well remember the embarrassing 70's fashion, I'd forgotten the clipped accents. The programme is notable for its forthright message towards the end, which these days would have been softened and countered in the interests of so-called balance.


Posted by Paul S. Jenkins at 19:43
Labels: BBC, Conway Hall, Open Door, South Place Ethical Society

Friday, 8 March 2013

CFI-UK one-day conference: Tricks of the Mind

I'm going to this. I've been to several of the CFI-UK events organised by Stephen Law, and they've all been excellent.

Tricks of the Mind - Centre for Inquiry UK conference

Come and hear some of the world’s leading experts explain how our minds can distort and deceive, including how they often play a role in generating a wide range of paranormal experiences. Discussion will include magic, time distortion, hypnotism and past-life regression. 
Presented by the British Humanist Association, the Centre for Inquiry UK, and Conway Hall. Organised and introduced by Stephen Law.
Date: Saturday, 30th March 2013 Venue: Conway Hall (main hall), 25 Red Lion Square, Holborn, WC1R 4RL London (nearest tube Holborn) Time: 10.30am registration (for a 11am start). Ends 4pm
Programme
11.00 Daniela Rudloff: Mental ‘Short-Cuts’ - The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
Can we trust our eyes? Why does a footballer’s performance usually drop right after they’ve been sold to a high-paying football club? What exactly is “anchoring”, and why are we doing it on dry land?
Daniela Rudloff will answer these and other questions by giving an introduction to the everyday mental shortcuts and biases we often employ, arguing that even though they might be misleading, they are also necessary – and almost impossible to avoid.
Daniela has always had a profound interest in critical thinking, leading her to join the German Skeptics in 1994. In 2006 she commenced a PhD in Psychology to find out what keeps Joe Bloggs from being a rational, reasonable and sceptical person.
12.00 Claudia Hammond: Time Warped 
We are obsessed with time, but why does it play so many tricks on us? Why does time slow down when you're afraid and speed up as you get older? Drawing on the latest research from the fields of psychology, neuroscience and biology, and using original research on the way memory shapes our understanding of time, the awarding-winning writer and broadcaster Claudia Hammond delves into the mysteries of time perception and how the mind creates a sense of time.
Claudia is an award-winning broadcaster, writer and psychology lecturer. She is the presenter of All in the Mind & Mind Changers on BBC Radio 4 and the Health Check on BBC World Service Radio every week and BBC World News TV every month. Claudia is a columnist for BBC.com and the author of "Time Warped: Unlocking the Mysteries of Time Perception" and "Emotional Rollercoaster - a journey through the science of feelings" which won the Aoen Transmission Prize in February 2013. 
2.00 Martin S Taylor: More Lives Than One?
Martin S Taylor became interested in hypnosis when he was studying for a PhD at Imperial College, and soon became well known on the student circuit with his science based lecture-demonstration. At first he believed in the traditional view that hypnosis is a special induced state of mind, but discussions with friends and his experience with his own hypnotic subjects led him to subscribe to the 'social-compliance' view, namely that hypnosis is best explained by normal, well-understood psychological principles.
He now makes a living as a lecturer and consultant on hypnosis, talking and demonstrating at schools, universities, and anywhere else they'll pay him. It was at one of Martin's lectures that Derren Brown was inspired to take up his career, and Martin has worked with Derren on a number of recent television shows. Recently he has been working as a hypnosis consultant for Paramount Pictures, producing promotional videos for horror films.
In today’s talk, Martin will be examining the notion that hypnosis can be used to get people to remember past lives, a phenomenon taken by many as evidence of reincarnation.
3.00 Robert Teszka: Mind and Magic
Robert Teszka is a cognitive psychologist, magician, science promoter, and massive geek. He uses the techniques of misdirection to study the psychology of attention and awareness at Goldsmiths University, and has travelled internationally to give lectures on the surprising insights of cognitive psychology.
Mind and Magic is a talk about how our own minds deceive us as readily as any magician, and how magician's tricks can help us understand our minds a bit better. Expect a curated collection of demonstrations, experiments, and original research - and perhaps a magic trick or two - as Rob attempts to convince you that sometimes, you just can't trust your own mind.
March 30th, 2013
Conway Hall
25 Red Lion Square
Holborn, WC1R 4RL
United Kingdom
Click here to buy tickets.
Posted by Paul S. Jenkins at 22:14
Labels: British Humanist Association, Centre for Inquiry UK, Claudia Hammond, Daniela Rudloff, Martin S. Taylor, Robert Teszka, Stephen Law

Thursday, 7 March 2013

An essential aspect of management

I'm a fan of YouTuber QualiaSoup's counter-apologetics videos, and was surprised to discover that his comprehensive and concise presentations range beyond the goddy. This is a video about workplace bullying, and ought to be viewed by all managers.

http://youtu.be/wAgg32weT80


(Via Ophelia Benson.)
Posted by Paul S. Jenkins at 22:56
Labels: bullying, QualiaSoup, workplace, YouTube

Monday, 4 March 2013

Giles Fraser speaks the truth

I've said some things about Giles Fraser on this blog in the past, but recently — since his resignation from St Paul's — he's been pleasingly unpredictable, and my previous minimal respect for him has grown. He still says stuff I disagree with, but his performance on this morning's Thought for the Day makes me want to put previous disagreements aside. As I soaked in the bath I could hardly believe what was coming out of the radio: no-nonsense speaking of truth to power — and on Thought for the Day!

Well done Giles.

Downloadable mp3 from here, for 30 days:
http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/radio4/thought/thought_20130304-1117a.mp3

Streaming audio here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p015vmw9

Text transcript from BBC website:
This morning the Roman Catholic Church in Scotland is waking up to one of the biggest crises in its modern history. A few weeks ago, Cardinal Keith O’Brien was expecting to be in Rome electing the next Pope. Now he’s in disgrace, vowing that he’ll never again take part in public life.

We still don’t know the details of what he did, simply that he’s admitted to sexual misconduct amongst his fellow priests. Charges of hypocrisy have been swift to follow. This month last year, the Cardinal was on this very programme attacking gay marriage as evidence for the “degeneration of society into immorality”. Indeed, he insisted: “if the UK does go in for same sex marriage it is indeed shaming our country.”

So why is it that all the churches - and not just the Roman Catholic church - seem to attract so many gay men who are themselves so virulently hostile to homosexuality? Perhaps it has to do with a misplaced sense of shame about being gay, a sense of shame that they go on to reinforce by being vocal supporters of the very theology that they themselves have been the victims of. As the novelist Roz Kaveney tweeted yesterday: “I feel sorry for O'Brien. I hope one day he realises that the sense of sexual sinfulness the Church forced on him was an abuse.” And that “O'Brien needs to distinguish between his sexual desires and his bad behaviour and not see all of it as sin.” I totally agree.

The election of a new Pope provides an opportunity for real change. The culture of secrecy that fearfully hides this bad behaviour – and not least the clerical abuse of children – needs dismantling from its very foundations. Inappropriate sexual relationships, relationships that trade on unequal power and enforced silence, are the product of an unwillingness to speak honestly, openly and compassionately about sex in general and homosexuality in particular. The importance of marriage as being available to both gay and straight people – and indeed to priests – is that it allows sexual desire to be rightly located in loving and stable relationships. I know there are people who see things differently, but I’m sorry: the churches’ condemnation of homosexuality has forced gay sex into the shadows, thus again reinforcing a sense of shame that, for me, is the real source of abuse.

Things may now be changing. It is encouraging that four priests have had the courage to speak out against a Cardinal – though one of them has expressed the fear that the Catholic church would “crush him” if they could. This is precisely the climate of fear that does so much to create the conditions of clerical abuse.

“It seems to me that there is nowhere to hide now,” said Diarmaid MacCulloch, the professor of the history of the church at Oxford University in a recent interview. He goes on: “We have had two Popes in succession that have denied that the church needed to change at all. The Roman church has to face realities that it has steadily avoided facing for the last thirty years.” And I might add, not just the Roman church, but my own church too.


Clearly I'm not alone in my assessment of this particular TftD:
http://www.platitudes.org.uk/platblog/index.php?entry=entry130304-081648
Posted by Paul S. Jenkins at 21:58
Labels: BBC Radio 4, Giles Fraser, Thought For The Day, Today

Sunday, 3 March 2013

Burnee links for Sunday

I get email: explosive beginnings » Pharyngula
A great response to a recurring smug question.

I can defend both Lawrence Krauss and philosophy! » Pharyngula
I think philosophy is important and worthwhile, except when it crosses the line into theology (when it becomes unimportant and worthless). But that's just my opinion.

Please don’t use this argument » Pharyngula
Think before you post (or speak, or...).

Intelligent Design Gets Peer-Review… Sort Of | Smilodon's Retreat
Intelligent Design isn't science.

Humanism's faith in reason represents our best hope | AC Grayling | Comment is free | The Observer
Succinct outline of humanistic principles; the comments are interesting too. (Not sure about the "faith" in the title, but that could be the sub-editors....)

Stephen Law: Tricks of the Mind event CFI, March 30th.
This looks good. And Martin S. Taylor was excellent at Winchester Skeptics last Thursday.
Posted by Paul S. Jenkins at 22:46
Labels: Burnee links

Confessions of a Medium — BBC Radio 4

This was on BBC Radio 4 a couple of days ago and should be available for the rest of this week. It's a radio drama by A. L. Kennedy about a spiritual medium in the 19th century (played by the inimitable Bill Nighy). He's not quite what he seems.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00pn34n/Saturday_Drama_Confessions_of_a_Medium/


From the iPlayer:

Confessions of a Medium

Starring Bill Nighy as Thomson and Robert Glenister as Mr. Parker. A gothic, shadowy, and darkly comic drama about illusion, delusion and desire. Based on a true story in 1870's London. Mr. Parker is a sincere and kind man in search of a higher meaning to life. He has moved from conventional religion to séances and spiritualism. He believes he's met his saviour in the guise of Mr. Thomson - a charming, erudite, and utterly mesmerising medium, but unbeknown to Parker, Thomson is a complete and utter fake.

DIRECTED BY PAULINE HARRIS BBC DRAMA NORTH

Credits

Thomson Bill Nighy
Parker Robert Glenister
Morton Jonathan Keeble
Mr Gordon Jonathan Keeble
Gentleman Jonathan Keeble
Wilson Jonathan Keeble
Waiter Jonathan Keeble
Mills Andrew Westfield
Butler Andrew Westfield
Miss Foster Fiona Clarke
Mrs Gordon Fiona Clarke
Lady No.1 Fiona Clarke
Miss Blackstone Daryl Fishwick
Woman Daryl Fishwick
Pianist Daniel Browell
Posted by Paul S. Jenkins at 20:53
Labels: A. L. Kennedy, BBC Radio 4, Bill Nighy, mediums, Pauline Harris, radio drama, Robert Glenister, spiritualism

Jehovah's Creationists

One Saturday in January, thinking the doorbell indicated the postman delivering an expected package, I opened the door to two gentlemen whom I instantly identified (don't ask me how) as either Mormons or Jehovah's Witnesses. Their first question confirmed my initial assessment: they asked me what I thought God's name was. My reply — that I didn't think there was any such entity as God, and so his name was of no importance to me — brought a suggestion that they read me something from the Bible, but I interrupted with a counter-suggestion that quoting Bible verses to an atheist was a hiding to nothing.

The younger guy who had so far conducted this conversation seemed a bit deflated by this, but the older one stepped in at this point to ask me why I was an atheist. I said I hadn't come across convincing evidence for the existence of any gods. Cue the creationist argument: had I looked at the multitude of living things and how marvellous and complicated they were? Yes I had, and I understood that they are all related, with common ancestry, and had come about over very long periods of time through a process of random mutation and natural selection.

Then he began talking about "kinds" and separate creation, and that different kinds could not breed with each other. I said that if he meant species, this was a reasonable definition, but although different species can't in general inter-breed, it's useful to consider the analogy of language. Children understand the language of their parents, who understand the language of their parents, and so on, and if you go back far enough you'll find a couple speaking one language who are direct ancestors of people alive today who can't understand each other's languages. And so it is with evolution.

But then he changed tack and talked about the eye, saying it couldn't have come about by evolution, to which I responded that it probably could, starting with something as simple as a patch of skin that had randomly developed some basic sensitivity to light. I think at this point he realised that he was talking to someone who has actually thought about such things, and suggested I might like to read something, to which I responded that, yes, I would. (This whole conversation took place on my doorstep, and I had things to do.)

They gave me a brochure entitled Was Life Created? And in return I gave them an Atheist Tract — several copies of which I keep by the door specifically for occasions like this. I thanked the pair of them, wished them good morning and closed the door.

But what of the brochure?

Was Life Created? is published by Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania, in 2010. Though the masthead says "Made in Britain", spellings reveal it was written for an American audience. I read it through, making a few notes, and a quick check of the Jehovah's Witnesses' website turned up a PDF (the PDF, however, says "Made in the United States of America").

From the first section, "What do you believe?":
It is not the purpose of this material to ridicule the views either of fundamentalists or of those who choose not to believe in God. Rather, it is our hope that this brochure will prompt you to examine again the basis for some of your beliefs. It will present an explanation of the Bible’s account of creation that you may not have previously considered. And it will emphasize why it really does matter what you believe about how life began.
First, note the implication that atheism is a choice. This, no doubt, is tied up with what Paul says in Romans 1:20, about being "without excuse", though that part is left out of the quote when it appears later in the brochure.

The next section, "The Living Planet" — which is essentially a crude rendering of the fine-tuning argument — contains a number of loaded phrases that might be missed by those unfamiliar with the low-grade apologetic techniques employed here.
Are earth’s features a product of blind chance or of purposeful design? Without its tailor-made moon, our planet would wobble like a spinning top... ...earth is protected by amazing armor—a powerful magnetic field and a custom-made atmosphere. Earth’s atmosphere and magnetic field truly are marvels of design that are still not fully understood.
Note the language of design and manufacture taken for granted in these question-begging excerpts. The circularity, however, does not end there; next we have a section titled "Who designed it first?" which aims to catalogue instances of engineering and science taking their inspiration from nature.
As you consider the following examples, ask yourself, ‘Who really deserves the credit for these designs?’
...
Who deserves the credit? 
...
Who is nature’s patent holder?
They quote Michael Behe, who says (essentially, as all Intelligent Design proponents do, no matter what fancy language they use) it's designed if it looks designed.

Each section of the brochure ends with a couple of questions, and most of these are loaded or begged in some way. The section just covered ("Who designed it first?") asks:
  • Does it seem logical to you to believe that the brilliant engineering evident in nature came about by accident?
To which I would answer, no it doesn't, because that's not what happened. Natural selection is not an accidental process — indeed it could be considered the very opposite. Evolution by random mutation and natural selection occurs because of environmental pressure — it's a process that occurs because it's taking the line of least resistance. Statistically speaking, it couldn't happen any other way.

There's then a subsection headed "Was it designed? If the copy requires a designer, what about the original?" Unfortunately for the brochure's thesis, this subheading appears to undermine itself. The copy doesn't require a designer, it only requires a copier — which is what the "original" does, albeit imperfectly. Indeed it is this very imperfection that drives evolution.

The next section — "Evolution myths and facts" — attempts to discredit the theory of evolution and claims that the fossil record doesn't provide evidence of what creationists and ID proponents like to call "macro-evolution". They claim to be happy with the idea that species can change (or "adapt") due to environmental pressure, but only up to a point. And that point appears to be arbitrarily undefined. What it comes down to is analogous to believing that it is possible for someone to stand on a step, but quite impossible to ascend a flight of stairs. Much is made of "Wolf-Ekkehard Lönnig, a scientist from the Max Planck Institute for Plant Breeding Research in Germany," who claims that:
“Mutations cannot transform an original species [of plant or animal] into an entirely new one. This conclusion agrees with all the experiences and results of mutation research of the 20th century taken together as well as with the laws of probability.”
Some Googling reveals that Lönnig is an ID proponent who, like Michael Behe, appears to have been disowned by his own institution. The brochure includes a footnote:
Lönnig believes that life was created. His comments in this publication are his own and do not represent the opinion of the Max Planck Institute for Plant Breeding Research.
Fond though they are of footnotes, the JW's are not above making a bald assertion:
To date, scientists worldwide have unearthed and cataloged some 200 million large fossils and billions of small fossils. Many researchers agree that this vast and detailed record shows that all the major groups of animals appeared suddenly and remained virtually unchanged, with many species disappearing as suddenly as they arrived.
If this was Wikipedia, that phrase "Many researchers agree" would be immediately followed by "[citation needed]".

The final main section is titled "Science and the Genesis account". Jehovah's Witnesses, apparently, are not young-earth creationists, but old-earth creationists. How, then, do they reconcile the conflicting information in Genesis? Do they claim it's meant to be poetic? Metaphorical? Wrong? Untrue? No, they don't. This section, it turns out, is one huge exercise in semantic gymnastics. I won't go into it here — read the linked PDF if you're interested. Suffice to say, if the JW's really think that reading scripture in this way can reveal truth of any kind there's no hope for them — they are beyond logic. The Bible, for them, can mean anything they want it to mean.

The final section, "Does it matter what you believe?" seems to be an argument from consequences. After quoting William Provine saying, "I can see no cosmic or ultimate meaning in human life," they ask:
Consider the significance of those words. If ultimate meaning in life were nonexistent, then you would have no purpose in living other than to try to do some measure of good and perhaps pass on your genetic traits to the next generation. At death, you would cease to exist forever. Your brain, with its ability to think, reason, and meditate on the meaning of life, would simply be an accident of nature.
Well, yes.

That — apart from the "accident" bit (see above) — is how it is.

Get used to it.


This post is based on one of my segments in a recent episode of the Skepticule podcast.

Edited 2022-06-08 to update links to JW.ORG and Jason Curry's Atheist Tract.

Posted by Paul S. Jenkins at 12:22
Labels: Atheist Tract, creationism, God, Intelligent Design, Jehovah's Witnesses, Michael Behe, William Provine, Wolf-Ekkehard Lönnig

Saturday, 16 February 2013

Burnee links for Saturday

A Sophisticated Theologian explains why theology doesn’t progress « Why Evolution Is True
Jerry Coyne continues his fruitless quest. I admire his persistence, but can't help feeling he's wasting an awful lot of time.

50 Years of Stupid Grammar Advice - The Chronicle Review - The Chronicle of Higher Education
Hmm. He could be right, you know. (The Elements of Style is a very short book, after all.)

Slavery. Bible style. | Reasonably Faithless
James East finds out if the Bible is in favour of owning people as property, with all that might imply.

Atheist Ethicist: A Non-Religious, Non-Evolutionary Account of "Ought"
A concise explanation of the fundamentals of desire utilitarianism, by its leading exponent.
Posted by Paul S. Jenkins at 12:44
Labels: Burnee links

Wednesday, 6 February 2013

Creationism's lack of Wonders

When I watched the first episode of Brian Cox's new TV series Wonders of Life I was struck by the uncompromisingly naturalistic assumptions behind his explanation of how life began on Earth. Never before have I heard such a godless approach on prime-time mainstream TV in Britain. Maybe, I thought, the tide is turning and the BBC is forsaking — albeit temporarily — its habit of "balancing" anything remotely atheistic with something necessarily faith-based. Well, maybe. But nevertheless I expected protests, especially from creationists, and I was relishing the prospect.

So I was more than a little disappointed with this lack-lustre response from my local creationist organisation, the Creation Science Movement.
On Sunday 27th January, the BBC TV aired the first of a new series called Wonders of Life, presented by Professor Brian Cox. In this first episode he wondered what life was and how it began. Like all science writers for the Beeb, Cox is a fully paid up atheist, and he set out to establish a sequence from inanimate matter to simple living cells, and so on to ourselves. He informed us that at the beginning there was energy. The First Law of Thermodynamics says that energy can neither be created nor destroyed, though it can change from one form to another. He demonstrated this with a waterfall where potential energy at the top of the fall is changed into kinetic energy of movement, heat and noise as the water descends. But the total amount of energy remains unchanged. All correct! He then argued that if energy cannot be added to or lost, then energy is eternal! He does not conclude that if energy has always existed, so too must matter be everlasting. Thus he dodges the problem of how matter and energy could have been created from nothing in the first place.
But Einstein showed that matter and energy are equivalent (E=mc2). And of course we have the old chestnut about creating something from nothing. Who says there was nothing in the first place? If the current spacetime continuum came into existence at the Big Bang, so too did cause and effect — because cause and effect have no meaning in any atemporal or aspacial sense. We can have no concept of existence in the absence of time and space, so to talk about "something" and "nothing" in a realm that lacks a coherent concept of existence is mere speculation.
He continued by saying that all processes involve a change whereby the energy becomes less able to do work, this being the Second Law. He doesn’t draw the obvious conclusion that if the universe has always existed, all the energy would have lost its potential to do work long ago and would have degenerated into heat at a very low temperature. Our universe is brimming over with energy at a high potential, so it isn’t eternal at all, but had a beginning. How could it have started at a high potential, that is, a highly ordered state? Well, not on its own!
Despite this unidentified blogger's exclamation mark, the idea that the universe came into existence spontaneously as a necessary result of a random event seems to me entirely plausible. Also I don't think many cosmologists believe that the universe as we know it has existed eternally, so I'm not sure what point is being made here.
Dr Cox told us that all living things that have ever been derive their energy from a flow of hydrogen ions in their mitochondria. Quite true! He demonstrated a simple battery made from two bottles of water with different acidities. He then wired them up to a miniature fan, which sprang into life, while gases bubbled from the electrodes. So, he argued, a flow of hydrogen ions creates life – QED. He didn’t take into account the glaring fact that the current needed a motor to make use of this energy as a fan. In the same way, in every living thing, the hydrogen ion potential in the mitochondrion requires a miniature protein motor called ATP Synthase to produce usable energy for the living cell. Someone must have designed and manufactured the fan. How much more is a Creator required for the ATP Synthase with its 31 precise components?
The reason why someone had to design and manufacture the electric fan is that electric fans don't reproduce by themselves. Why creationists appear to overlook this obvious distinction baffles me.
From then on, the professor told us, living things progressed from simple to more complex living things by mistakes in copying genes that are then selected by the environment – Darwinian evolution. Yet we know that mutations scramble the information in those genes. Moreover, how can precise genetic information come about by chance?
Anyone who seriously asks this question obviously hasn't grasped the implications of natural selection.
Now that he has told us how life began, the series should become more credible as he celebrates the wonders of life. It could hardly get less believable! 
An odd, muted conclusion — exclamation mark notwithstanding. We get the first thorough explication of current thinking on abiogenesis on mainstream TV — something of a landmark, in my opinion — but of course creationists are going to dismiss it, as this one has. That it's such a half-hearted dismissal may indicate (let's hope so) the creationist bandwagon is running out of steam.


Shame. I had hoped for something more meaty to celebrate my 700th blogpost!
Posted by Paul S. Jenkins at 23:20
Labels: BBC2, Big Bang, cause and effect, Creation Science Movement, creationism, Einstein, Professor Brian Cox, Wonders of Life

Saturday, 2 February 2013

Burnee links for Saturday

Busy, busy, busy. So here are some links to be going on with.

In a Crisis, Humanists Seem Absent - NYTimes.com
A thoughtful article, pinpointing some of the issues relating to the establishment of distinct humanist groups within society.
(Via James Croft on Facebook)

Daft complaint to the BBC by anti-vax activists
Illustrating the skewed world inhabited by anti-vaxxers.
(Via Crispian Jago on Facebook.) 

The Skeptical Probe: Dr Hugh Ross - Lying for God
Assert something sufficiently often and with enough confidence and it simply becomes true, doesn't it? I was surprised and alarmed that Premier Radio associated itself with Reasons to Believe — to the extent of using that organisation's name as the subtitle of last year's Unbelievable?: The Conference. (See also the Facebook discussion.)

Sunday’s Caller and Public Response: Confirmation is not a Rebuttal » The Atheist Experience
The incomparable Tracie Harris offers some clarification of sin.

Cruella-blog: Mehdi Hasan makes me really angry.
Kate Smurthwaite gets cross. Again.

The Royal Institution: Can we just give it to the National Trust? Or the Science Museum Group? « The Thought Stash
Kash Farooq on a lamentable failure of communication.
Posted by Paul S. Jenkins at 11:45
Labels: Burnee links

Monday, 7 January 2013

Axp decry the Christian crib-sheet

The Atheist Experience — a weekly live TV phone-in show from Austin, Texas — this week dealt highly effectively with a version of the Moral Argument for the Existence of God (even though the caller didn't frame it in exactly those terms).

This:

http://blip.tv/the-atheist-experience-tv-show/atheist-experience-795-argument-from-making-sense-6494842


Matt and Tracie set out in no uncertain terms why biblical morality is such a crock.
Posted by Paul S. Jenkins at 19:59
Labels: moral argument, morality, The Atheist Experience

Saturday, 5 January 2013

Who needs truth when you have apologetics?

Last week's Unbelievable? aired a talk given by Premier Radio's favourite Christian apologist William Lane Craig, at the 2011 Bethinking conference as part of the Reasonable Faith Tour of the UK.

I understand that this talk was given to Christians, so I was concerned to hear Craig begin by misrepresenting the meaning of secularism. In fact he seemed to base his whole talk on an incorrect premise: that the "secularisation" of Britain was a bad thing because it was based in a naturalistic philosophy that denies God. But secularism is merely the idea that matters of religious belief should be independent of government (and vice versa) — and as such is as beneficial to those who hold religious beliefs as it is to those who don't.

Later on — in what might be classed as an appeal to non-authority — Craig quoted Satan, further damning any credibility he might have otherwise retained in my view. Perhaps he just doesn't see how risible his arguments sound when he plumbs such depths; he seems happy enough blowing his own trumpet about how easily he can fill a hall with an audience. Sure, he's preaching to the converted and trying to inspire them, and I appreciate that a little hyperbole can go a long way.

But Craig shouldn't be let off the hook for playing fast and loose with facts. He describes the Crucifixion as the one historical fact about Jesus of Nazareth that is universally acknowledged among historical critical scholars. This is of course true, so long as your definition of "historical critical scholars" includes only those who acknowledge the Crucifixion as a historical fact.

Craig also seems very fond of referring to "The Church" as if it were a single homogenous entity, when we all know that this couldn't be further from the truth. During the Q & A he was asked about evangelising to Darwinists and postmodernists, and he advised skirting around such issues:
My evangelistic strategy is to set the bar as low as you can; make it as easy as possible to become a Christian. There are very few things you need to believe to be a Christian: you've got to believe that God exists, that Jesus Christ is divine, that he died for your sins and rose from the dead, and that you will be saved by grace, through placing your faith in his atoning death — and really that's about it, you know?
Huh? Is that all?

The final question was about Christ being the "second Adam", and how this could be true if Adam didn't actually exist as a real person. Craig said he affirmed the historical Adam, but for those who don't, the phrase "second Adam" would be purely symbolic. For me, this lackadaisical attitude to facts exemplifies so much of Christian apologetics, and is why I find it utterly unconvincing.
Posted by Paul S. Jenkins at 00:43
Labels: apologetics, Christianity, crucifixion, Jesus, Premier Christian Radio, Unbelievable?, William Lane Craig

Tuesday, 1 January 2013

At last Skepticule Extra — but wait, there's more

Starting the new year with a bit of catch-up, Skepticule Extra number 37 is available for your nostalgic reminiscence (OK, I promise to do better this year).

Can women be bishops? Can secularists be religious? Can celebrity evangelists make money?


Stand by for another dose of Skepticule Extra imminently.
Posted by Paul S. Jenkins at 23:02
Labels: Skepticule Extra
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Paul S. Jenkins, writer, podcaster and tech-enthusiast (and atheist and skeptic) lives and works in Hampshire, UK. Notes from an Evil Burnee is his blog about things skeptical.
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